Since you supposedly know *the truth* why dont you do what I try to do with each post? Wow. As for your dig at anonymous people, you are hoping to do the same thing. all of this stuff was predicted by the NT. As for J.D. The average American Christian has evidently become so open-minded about such characters that their spiritual brains have fallen out! Single pastor, plural pastors, plurality of elders, are pastors even a thing? Now they want it back. Cut corners in the case of MacDonald, Hybels, Driscoll, and assorted others meant they decided it was OK to be a little wicked if a little good could come from it. In preparation for the milestone anniversary of 30 years, it seemed fitting to host all our campuses together for Good Friday and Easter Sunday at the Sears Centre Arena. So yeah, theres really NOBODY looking over Driscolls shoulder. Look what that got them. I am not on Twitter myself, but I have been following others, like you. There is more than enough dirt throughout this enterprise to make one doubt the integrity or honesty of anyone who was ever long a part of it. mostly because God doesnt need professional christians and their institution in the first place. i mean, do we actually believe what we say we believe? Thank you!!!! So do you think this is something like Stockholm Syndrome? I say run. By creating offices and appointing people to them, we actually kind of circumvent that innate wisdom, we say this here guy has the title, hes the one, even if hes actually all facade and no substance. So Guidepost "determined that using Twitter was no longer an option for them." And if the insight and oversight in wisdom and understanding must come from books or online, so be it. I am not suggesting that this is or is not the way Jesus intended for his church. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwSTe9uit48. Im of course speaking about Paul. I am beginning to feel like at best it is simply not what Jesus intended for us, as it allows to much anonymity, where the church should be a community And at worst it is laced with risks for massive abuse and corruption. PRESBUTEROS = EPISKOPOS = POIMEN . Noevangelical: So do you think this is something like Stockholm Syndrome? Rich: I think theres a massive problem with the deference thats given to pastors and other religious leaders. It didnt reveal anything new. I dont feel the joy that my faith used to give. Sadly, many of us have learned our lesson the hard way, but it is not he who established these institutions and herded his people into them. . Reported that Camp Harvest lost over $200,000 in 2016. Milky Way timelapse photobombed by the Aurora Borealis over Loch More in Scotland. Your newfound joy is where I, too, am seeing Gods fingerprints, and why I am holding out hope that my faith will survive. We dedicated a new building as the new home for the Crystal Lake Campus in 2008. i have an observation: i know many people who dont subscribe to christianity, yet are the most excellent human beings. whether agnostic, atheist, muslim, hindu, buddhist, zoroastrian, wiccan, mormon, straight, lgbtq,. Harvest CEO J Scott Milholland, was one of the men who was responsible for the $10M year secret Black Fund which was used to grossly enrich the top 20 execs at Harvest (including Dallas Jenkins). First question: when was this letter written and sent? James mocking his own flock with his outrageous private Cabo party to end all parties, with the $50,000 magician, wont go unanswered. This says you are not comfortable with God being in control, or believe he has the power to work in these earthly maters. We challenge students to develop strong academic skills and provide opportunities to become a well-rounded person through participation . We rejoice in Gods faithfulness to us the first 30 years! Our students have weekly gatherings with worship, teaching, and group studies designed to propel them forward in faith. They will now export it across the US. Same thing I guess. The Elders and the search team felt unified in their decision and confident in Gods hand in providing the Bucknams to our church family. Trust me, youre not. Muslin, fka Dee Holmes: Driscolls board is down to him as President and director, Jimmy Evans and Randall Taylor (who I believe is an attorney). Zero current power holders at Willow Creek Community Church have uttered a single word condemning the sexual crimes of founder and 42 year leader Bill Hybels. 7,646 were here. Ive tried to leave TWW twice to go fishing or something, but my fans urged me to stay. My church is also a UMC church looking at that kind of ministry. At this point, Im not so sure that the church, as it is now manifested, is the keeper of pure Truth at all. Me too, back when I was in the last Bible Church. I can hardly stand to read that section in my Bible, much less watch it acted out. Years ago when I was experiencing a dark period spiritually someone said to me, Hang onto God! In response without thinking these words came out of my mouth (and I cant help but think it was the Holy Spirit speaking), I cant hang onto God right now but He will hang onto me. View All. Milholland did this exact same thing at his former church, Hope Church in Memphis. he has no tore proof to offer me. Ken F (aka Tweed): Rather, it appears that the early church looked much more Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, or Anglican than low-church protestant. We now see, via ECFA, that these massive personal perks were evidently excluded from their comp review, meaning James has likely been under reporting his income to the IRS by hundreds of thousands a year. Even during confusion, never-ending drama, attacks and You were part of a workforce which brought a feeling of camaraderie and purpose and fellowship. That is the foundation of our faith. The NT clearly outlines the positive attributes I am talking about.. Having re-read the letter a few times now I find it to be more of a CYA document than anything else. He promised never to leave me, In April of 2021, following an extensive search and urgent prayer, the Elders of Harvest Bible Chapel announced the new Lead Teaching Pastor to be Dr. Jeff Bucknam. Recreated vertical version of "Hallelujah" sang by Heather Headley reflecting on the sacrifice of our savior. be in sin, of seeing the beauty of the kindness of strangers, the beauty of love and faithfulness, of integrity at personal cost demonstrated by human beings everywhere. In most of these cases, thats true because the red flags were there. What they all have in common is serving self interest, whereas the crux of the life and message of Jesus is that the way to life is to lay down self and serve others. They will return to their secrecy and self-dealing as a dog returns to his vomit, because power and money are that seductive and because if they could keep it a secret during the height of the Harvest scandal, no way will it be discovered at a less notorious church. Through prayer and provision, a permanent location for our North Shore Campuswas found in Highland Park, in September of 2015. Men can be easily fooled, seduced, persuaded that they are doing Gods work, blackmailed, etc. Your support is what helps bring hope, and is a large part of the reason I chose to comment here at TWW. We have seen that the octopus has many arms, from mega-churches to major christian publications to all of the organizations that feed the monster. Let him call for the elders [PRESBUTEROS] of the church, and let them pray over him (James 5:14). Informacin detallada del sitio web y la empresa: cscdluquillo.com, +17878893488, +17875205223, +19547634027, +12012041300, +12012081024 Christian School and Chapel for the Deaf | Puerto Rico Remember when we videotaped us all playing The Name Game? And you have the same right as the rest of us to post anonymously. Releasing a letter to a select few was a half measure response. Jimmy Evans, Head of Marriage Today TV & Sr Pastor and Apostle of Gateway Church, is reportedly in contact with James MacDonald. HBC Youth Bible Study. The three terms above are from the Greek language, the original language in which the New Testament Scriptures were written. That incident was only the tip of the iceberg. It is also pure, and I would say faulty, assumption to state that the main issue is that the flock will quickly go astray. Ill be blunt, your post is silly. Choose from among you seven men with good reputations, men of godly character and moral integrity, full of the Spirit and of wisdom, whom we may put in charge of this task The suggestion pleased the whole congregation; and they selected (Acts 6:5-6). Im convinced that an antinomian spirit has taken control of some ministries, where church leaders feel they have been released by grace from the obligation of observing the moral law. It sounds more like men puffing up their status among the brothers . having faithful children Truth is real. To make up for their very tiny, um sense of self-esteem. Howard Hughes. I would ask that you take some time to think about it. We find out that the pastor is living in a $2 million house, he said. HBC leaders will have to give an account before God for these things. Its happening now; how many of us are refugees from groups that went awol? I hate using this corporate example but if you have a CEO of your company who does not meet the qualifications for that job, what happens? Vincent is a coward: came to an old thread less likely to be read and didnt stick around to answer for his comment. I rather doubt that they were able to get it right in the end. and all eternity will be jeopardized. I implore you to keep a watchful eye on those who cause trouble and make difficulties among you, in plain opposition to the teaching you have been given, and steer clear of them. Then I read actual instructions on the veneration of Elders as of Christ himself. Funny how highly institutional types value the written word of God, yet despise the teaching of godly elders that is available to one and all in countless books written through the ages. Nathan Priddis: I was led to view Clement of Rome as a sort of beloved father in our historical progression. I was at a Lenten service and helping with confirmation this evening. 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